tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post627303935658928455..comments2024-03-20T10:33:27.826-07:00Comments on Reading the Quran: Sura 32 - The ProstationSamuel Greenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08107307502069888589noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-8825766265033509722021-08-12T05:18:37.823-07:002021-08-12T05:18:37.823-07:00Welcome to Online Casino Malaysia, World's top...<br />Welcome to Online Casino Malaysia, World's top online gambling site and home to some of the best gaming crop on the web that includes Sports Betting, Online Casino, Live Casino Games and an compilation of world group of students online betting games. We are completely approved and keeping pace in various jurisdictions as affirmed in the Terms and Conditions and <a href="https://onlinemalaysiacasino.com/" rel="nofollow">The Secret of Online Casino Malaysia</a> operates rigorously within this system.These online gambling games aren’t just popular in Malaysia but players across the world play these games a day and observe fortunes. Each game has its own set of rules and tricks. Each game is different and provides a special experience to the one who plays it. It’s important to understand the principles and therefore the terms to be a master of it. Nobody can't hit the jackpot during a single game and not all are often a master of each game. Choose the one that you simply are good at and you wish the foremost to be a master of it. Nick Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02430549604878352977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-31165883741645280592019-04-10T16:10:52.535-07:002019-04-10T16:10:52.535-07:00How to Learn Quran Online in USA - Uk - Australia ...How to Learn Quran Online in USA - Uk - Australia and other Western Countries visit now for take free <a href="https://www.pakquranacademy.com/online-quran-classes/" rel="nofollow">Online Quran Classes</a>.Pak Quran Academyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16130518275216083339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-40250565127590108672011-04-21T00:12:49.172-07:002011-04-21T00:12:49.172-07:00>I have addressed the issue of the 7th day.
Yo...>I have addressed the issue of the 7th day. <br />You have a strange habit of becoming too easily content with your understanding and ignoring other people's response.<br /><br />I think you misunderstood what I said about the 'image of God' or my objection to it. I gave you ample explanation none of which you address. Encouragement to adopt God's traits is different from being the image of God. The later is much more comprehensive notion than monotheism permits. You yourself state "God is who God is. He is more complex than us." I said the same thing yet you respond by extrapolating from something unrelated. Islam, just like Christianity, encourages Man to adopt God's traits (to the extent that its possible) and if you actually took the time to read the Quran sincerely you would find many such examples (if you don't let me know and I'll post them). Please be fair to me and dont box me into what you perceive me to believe. "Be holy as I am holy" is completely in line with Islam. Man being the image of God is not. Not every man is successful in adopting the Holy traits, so is every Man an image of God? And while you have gone off on a tangent by quoting this line, let me remind you that we were talking about God being 'refreshed' after exerting work. You did not address ANY of what I wrote and instead started a new line of discourse.<br /><br />Regarding the trinity, you say what Christians believe comes from the Law of Moses, the prophets. I challenge you to point me to any shred of proof of the trinity in any Prophet's teaching (old testament or the psalms). In fact I challenge you to show me the existence of the trinity (explicit) even in the new testament! Please do not make statements as facts but show me some proof or logic.<br /><br />Lastly, I am surprised you are restating your charges against Islam being monotheistic. I responded to EACH claim you made earlier. Not only did you not respond, but restate the exact same lines again. In any case, I will summarize briefly: The kissing of the Black stone is out of respect and not worship. Many muslims do the same with the quran and the kaaba. Showing respect to holy relics is not contradictory to monotheism. The prophet Mohammad pbuh is mentioned in the shahada as a prophet not a deity. Monotheism is the worship of one deity. The key word is WORSHIP. Regarding his burial site, 5 minutes of searching on the web should tell you that his burial site was added to the mosque MUCH later and was originally well outside the mosque. It was added as the mosque expanded. So it because because of logistical reasons and not theological reasons. Now, since I have gone thru the exercise of responding to the same charges twice, either stop repeating yourself or tell me how I am wrong.Imranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671354947329564513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-48301358484955453312011-04-18T17:35:39.306-07:002011-04-18T17:35:39.306-07:00I have addressed the issue of the 7th day.
Regar...I have addressed the issue of the 7th day. <br /><br />Regarding the image of God, this is a clear teaching in the Law of Moses, the books of the Prophets, the Psalms and the Gospel: <br />"Be holy as I am holy". That the Qur'an denies this just shows how it is not connected to the earlier prophets.<br /><br />Regarding the Trinity, God is who God is. He is more complex than us. Muslims not only reject the Trinity but also reject the books of all the earlier prophets. How can we agree on God when you only listen to what Muhammad says about God. What Christians believe comes from the Law of Moses, the prophets, the psalms and the gospel. We make no distinction between the prophets and read them all. Our understanding of God comes from all of them.<br /><br />Regarding, Islam does not provide monotheism. As I showed in a recent post there is the kissing of the black stone, and Muhammad is associated with Allah in the Shahadah, the Salaat, in intercession and by his burial in a mosque. Muhammad is associated with Allah at every point of Islamic worship.Samuel Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107307502069888589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-38206697022390230382011-04-12T11:54:57.093-07:002011-04-12T11:54:57.093-07:00I am familiar with that point of view which is why...I am familiar with that point of view which is why I explicitly quoted the line from the bible which invalidates it. <br /><br />"In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed" (The Holy Bible, King James Version, Exodus 31: 17)<br /><br />It is the 'and was refreshed' at the end which goes against your explanation. This and your explanation show a couple of points which are not in line with our explicit understanding of God:<br />1- For God, creation is 'work'. It takes effort. Islam tell us that God merely says 'be' and it is.<br />You say "It is the demonstration by God that there is more to life than work.". This is true though irrelevant since we need refreshment after work. God does not get tired and neither is it 'work' as such when he creates. He merely wishes it. To suggest otherwise it to put limits on Him.+<br />2- Man is the image of God. This is another concept which goes against core Christian and Islamic beliefs. God is incomparable to anything. Man works and gets tired. Man needs rest. Man has limits. Man has physical desires. God is above all this. <br /><br />I find this to be amongst many other Christian beliefs that go against the core Judeo-Christian-Islamic understanding of God. Another example if 1+1+1=1 concept. Where the square peg of trinity is fitted through the round hole of monotheism.Imranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671354947329564513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-82636147623306159092011-04-11T23:03:35.737-07:002011-04-11T23:03:35.737-07:00Imran,
He will not let your foot slip-- he who ...Imran, <br /><br />He will not let your foot slip-- he who watches over you will not slumber; indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. Psalm 121:3-4<br /><br />Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." John 5:17<br /><br />God's purpose in creating is not to keep creating. The "rest" of the seventh day is about God inviting humanity to have a relationship with him. It is the demonstration by God that there is more to life than work. Humanity is in the image of God and so we are to follow this model. This is what the sabbath is about. It is beautiful. The purpose of creation is not work but a relationship with God. For the Qur'an not to include the seventh days means it is missing a very important detail.Samuel Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08107307502069888589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-13818506336990486432011-04-11T22:17:36.984-07:002011-04-11T22:17:36.984-07:00>The sura ends with promise of victory to the M...>The sura ends with promise of victory to the Muslims. Muhammad must have been preaching that he would rule and the Meccans did not seem to think that this would happen<br /><br />Is rulership the only form of victory for you? The quran talks about their faith prevailing. It should also be pointed out that this surah was revealed at the lowest ebb of the the Islamic message. When Muslims were being tortured and killed for their faith. This was reassurance to the Muslims to have patience and perseverence and a prediction of the eventual victory of their faith over the disbelievers.Imranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671354947329564513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-67560546763597914722011-04-11T22:08:59.993-07:002011-04-11T22:08:59.993-07:00>This is just another example of how the Qur’an...>This is just another example of how the Qur’an appears to be similar to the Bible yet lacks the content and details.<br /><br />As I mentioned above, this is not 'lacking content and details' but a correction of a fallacious concept in the bible which goes against any monotheistic understanding of God, be it Jewish, Christian or Islamic.Imranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671354947329564513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3030156107890147461.post-61246869154966105482011-04-11T22:07:23.758-07:002011-04-11T22:07:23.758-07:00>But I do not think so now because in the Bible...>But I do not think so now because in the Bible it never says God created the world in six days and finish there. It always refers to the seven days. There is work and then there is rest. A rest that we as the image of God share in.<br /><br />The idea of ascribing rest to God is a blasphemous one even if one expends small amount of time thinking about it. To put limits to what God can do and to think that he gets tired and needs to get 'refreshed' is not in line with the concept of omnipotence as mentioned in the bible:<br /><br />"In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed" (The Holy Bible, King James Version, Exodus 31: 17)<br /><br />Further detail of this specific topic can be found at:<br />http://quran.al-shia.org/en/qur%27anic-knowledge/six%20days%20of%20creation%20or%20six%20periods.htmImranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671354947329564513noreply@blogger.com